{"id":7768,"date":"2023-05-26T14:43:58","date_gmt":"2023-05-26T14:43:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/imsfund.com\/?p=7768"},"modified":"2023-05-26T14:43:58","modified_gmt":"2023-05-26T14:43:58","slug":"showtime-couples-therapy-orna-guralnik-on-couples-and-money","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/imsfund.com\/index.php\/2023\/05\/26\/showtime-couples-therapy-orna-guralnik-on-couples-and-money\/","title":{"rendered":"Showtime &#8216;Couples Therapy&#8217; Orna Guralnik on couples and money"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div id=\"RegularArticle-ArticleBody-5\" data-module=\"ArticleBody\" data-test=\"articleBody-2\" data-analytics=\"RegularArticle-articleBody-5-2\"><span class=\"HighlightShare-hidden\" style=\"top:0;left:0\"\/><\/p>\n<div class=\"InlineImage-imageEmbed\" id=\"ArticleBody-InlineImage-107235947\" data-test=\"InlineImage\">\n<div class=\"InlineImage-wrapper\">\n<div>\n<p>Orna Guralnik on Showtime&#8217;s &#8220;Couples Therapy.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Source: Showtime<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>When I was growing up, my father used to repeat a saying he&#8217;d heard as a child from his grandmother: &#8220;When money doesn&#8217;t come through the door, love goes out the window.&#8221; That proverb appears to date back to a 19th century <a href=\"https:\/\/sammlung.staedelmuseum.de\/en\/work\/when-poverty-comes-in-at-the-door-love-flies-out-of-the-wind\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">painting<\/a> by the English artist George Frederick Watts, titled &#8220;When Poverty Comes in at the Door, Love Flies out of the Window.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I relayed the quote to psychoanalyst Orna Guralnik, and she agreed <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/love-and-money\/\">money<\/a> is one of the biggest stressors on couples, &#8220;especially because of the society we live in.&#8221; Guralnik is the star of the Showtime documentary series &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sho.com\/couples-therapy\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Couples Therapy<\/a>,&#8221; in which she analyzes real patients in a room with hidden cameras. New episodes of its third season premiered last month.<\/p>\n<p>While financial issues can spark intense conflict for couples, Guralnik doesn&#8217;t believe money, or the lack of it, is the real reason they split up. &#8220;Ultimately, from my perspective, the breakup is not about money,&#8221; she said. Instead, Guralnik said, &#8220;the breakup is about not being able to negotiate differences, to be honest or to find a way to common ground.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>More from Personal Finance:<\/strong><br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/05\/15\/credit-card-debt-is-at-a-record-high-how-to-pay-down-your-balance.html\">Credit card debt nears $1 trillion<\/a><br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/05\/16\/amid-economic-uncertainty-possible-recession-how-to-save-and-invest.html\">How to get started with investing, budgeting<\/a><br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/05\/15\/heres-how-much-emergency-savings-you-actually-need-.html\">How much emergency savings you really need<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Guralnik describes money as one of the major &#8220;touchstones with reality&#8221; that can make it clear two people can&#8217;t problem-solve together. It is this inability to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/04\/27\/why-its-important-to-talk-about-money-in-your-relationship.html\">communicate<\/a>, empathize and compromise with each other that might ruin a relationship, she said.<\/p>\n<p>During <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/05\/08\/orna-guralnik-of-couples-therapy-and-the-risk-of-financial-secrets.html\">my interview<\/a> in late April with Guralnik, she had many other interesting things to say about love and money. Here are three of them.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h2 class=\"ArticleBody-subtitle\"><a id=\"headline0\"\/>1. When people don&#8217;t talk about money, they&#8217;re &#8216;shielding themselves from knowing reality&#8217;<\/h2>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>In her work with patients, Guralnik said it can take a long time for people to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/04\/27\/why-its-important-to-talk-about-money-in-your-relationship.html\">open up about their financial situation<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Sometimes, I find people are more private about money than their sex life,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not just with their therapist people avoid topics such as debt or overspending, Guralnik said. People can be married for years and still not have told their partner what&#8217;s going on with their finances.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div role=\"region\" aria-labelledby=\"Placeholder-ArticleBody-Video-107092391\">\n<div role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" id=\"Placeholder-ArticleBody-Video-107092391\" class=\"PlaceHolder-wrapper\" data-vilynx-id=\"7000255243\" data-test=\"VideoPlaceHolder\">\n<div class=\"InlineVideo-videoEmbed\" id=\"InlineVideo-0\" data-test=\"InlineVideo\">\n<div class=\"InlineVideo-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"InlineVideo-inlineThumbnailContainer\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"InlineVideo-videoThumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/image.cnbcfm.com\/api\/v1\/image\/107092410-GettyImages-946909868.jpg?v=1658438521&amp;w=750&amp;h=422&amp;vtcrop=y\" alt=\"Here's why these millennial brides say a wedding isn't worth the money\"\/><span class=\"InlineVideo-videoButton\"\/><span\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>Guralnik understands this avoidance of the subject.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;In American society, money locates you in the social structure more than anything else,&#8221; she said. &#8220;A lot hangs on money in terms of people&#8217;s self-worth.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>People take huge risks by avoiding talking about and confronting their finances, she said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re refusing to look at your bank account when you&#8217;re pulling out your credit card, you can accrue debt,&#8221; Guralnik said. &#8220;And if you keep doing that, that debt can be pretty devastating.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote data-test=\"Pullquote\">\n<div class=\"Pullquote-pullquote\" style=\"border-top-color:#002f6c\">\n<div>\n<p>Sometimes, I find people are more private about money than their sex life.<\/p>\n<div class=\"Pullquote-sourceWrapper\">\n<p>Orna Guralnik<\/p>\n<p>psychoanalyst and host of &#8220;Couples Therapy&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>&#8220;It can put you in the hole for a lifetime to come,&#8221; she added.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not saying that hyperbolically,&#8221; Guralnik went on to say. &#8220;I have plenty of people that come into my office in that situation.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>People are &#8220;shielding themselves from knowing reality&#8221; when they refuse to pay attention to their finances, Guralnik said. She added, &#8220;you can&#8217;t take care of yourself if you don&#8217;t deal with reality.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h2 class=\"ArticleBody-subtitle\"><a id=\"headline1\"\/>2. It&#8217;s OK &#8216;finances are part of the reasons people are together&#8217;<\/h2>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>At one point in the new episodes of season three of &#8220;Couples Therapy,&#8221; couple Kristi and Brock tell Guralnik they&#8217;re worried a big reason they&#8217;re moving in together is to save money.<\/p>\n<p>Guralnik doesn&#8217;t see a problem with that motivation, however. &#8220;I&#8217;m cool with the fact that finances are part of the reasons people are together,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Kristi and Brock are idealists, and I love them for that,&#8221; she went on. &#8220;They believe they should be moving in for love, not financial easement.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>But the idea marriage should only be about love is a pretty new idea, she added.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Marriage has always been, first of all, a way to create a structure that protects people. It is there to protect the financial unit.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Money can help a couple stay together too, Guralnik said. After all, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/03\/31\/financial-dependency-23percent-of-couples-stay-because-of-money.html#:~:text=Investing%20Club-,As%20the%20cost%20of%20living%20skyrockets%2C%2023%25%20of%20couples%20stay,mainly%20because%20of%20money%20constraints&amp;amp;text=Nearly%20one%20quarter%20of%20all,according%20to%20a%20new%20report.\">two people can have a lot to lose financially by parting<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It gives them another reason to try to work it out,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h2 class=\"ArticleBody-subtitle\"><a id=\"headline2\"\/>3. &#8216;Money is not just money. It stands for something else.&#8217;<\/h2>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>Two people in a relationship can have vastly different attitudes about money, Guralnik said.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Some people are frugal and can lean towards the obsessive side,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Some people do not have any impulse control, and they hate thinking about the future.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Any conversation about budgeting or planning is excruciating for them,&#8221; she added.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"InlineImage-imageEmbed\" id=\"ArticleBody-InlineImage-102777659\" data-test=\"InlineImage\">\n<div class=\"InlineImage-wrapper\">\n<div>\n<p>Jamie Grill | Getty Images<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"group\">\n<p>To understand their behavior, Guralnik tries to figure out what money has come to symbolize for her patients.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;As a psychoanalyst, my general way of approaching things is with the belief that concrete realities are tied to unconscious realities,&#8221; she said.<\/p>\n<p>For example, she once had a patient who hoarded money. &#8220;We discovered through analysis that, for her, money stood for time,&#8221; Guralnik said. &#8220;By hoarding money, in her unconscious mind, she was protecting herself against death.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In other words, she said, &#8220;Money is not just money. It stands for something else, as well.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/2023\/05\/25\/showtime-couples-therapy-orna-guralnik-on-couples-and-money-.html\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Orna Guralnik on Showtime&#8217;s &#8220;Couples Therapy.&#8221; Source: Showtime When I was growing up, my father used to repeat a saying he&#8217;d heard as a child from his grandmother: &#8220;When money doesn&#8217;t come through the door, love goes out the window.&#8221; That proverb appears to date back to a 19th century painting by the English artist 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